Years ago, in the near infancy of this blog, when I was still hosting an “AP” board on a mainstream site, the topic of CIO (Cry-it-out, the sleep training method) came up on a regular basis and at one of those moments, I wrote a post here recording my response on a thread and further comments on the subject.
My post led to somewhat a debate in the comments and in that debate this was said…
“10 years from now I challenge you to go down to the local playground. You will not be able to tell whether or not ANY of those kids were CIO babies, BF/FF, if they were pushed in a stroller or worn in a sling, or if their moms had epidurals! Differences in parents styles (whether AP or “mainstream”) are just that – DIFFERENCES. Neither one is right or wrong. It is simply a choice”
I responded that I would take her up on that challenge… and that debate, that comment, has been something that I have never forgotten over the years.
That challenge became part of my determination to continue and grow in the parenting style that I believe in. I truly believe that children are moulded from their experiences and that being born gently, being breastfed and nursed until they self wean, co-sleeping, being held close often, not being punished physically (spanking) or psychologically (time-outs) all become part of who they are and who they will be.
Not only do I merely believe it, but I am certain of it…
Child Rearing Practices of Distant Ancestors Foster Morality, Compassion in Kids
“Ever meet a kindergartener who seemed naturally compassionate and cared about others’ feelings? Who was cooperative and didn’t demand his own way? Chances are, his parents held, carried and cuddled him a lot; he most likely was breastfed; he probably routinely slept with his parents; and he likely was encouraged to play outdoors with other children, according to new research findings from the University of Notre Dame.
Three new studies led by Notre Dame Psychology Professor Darcia Narvaez show a relationship between child rearing practices common in foraging hunter-gatherer societies (how we humans have spent about 99 percent of our history) and better mental health, greater empathy and conscience development, and higher intelligence in children.
“Our research shows that the roots of moral functioning form early in life, in infancy, and depend on the affective quality of family and community support,” says Narvaez, who specializes in the moral and character development of children.
The three studies include an observational study of the practices of parents of three-year-olds, a longitudinal study of how certain child rearing practices relate to child outcomes in a national child abuse prevention project, and a comparison study of parenting practices between mothers in the U.S. and China. The longitudinal study examined data from the research of another Notre Dame psychologist, John Borkowski, who specializes in the impact of child abuse and neglect on development.
The results of Narvaez’ three studies as well as those from researchers around the world will be presented at a conference at Notre Dame in October titled “Human Nature and Early Experience: Addressing the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptedness.”
“The way we raise our children today in this country is increasingly depriving them of the practices that lead to well being and a moral sense,” she says.
Narvaez identifies six characteristics of child rearing that were common to our distant ancestors:
- Lots of positive touch — as in no spanking — but nearly constant carrying, cuddling and holding;
- Prompt response to baby’s fusses and cries. You can’t “spoil” a baby. This means meeting a child’s needs before they get upset and the brain is flooded with toxic chemicals. “Warm, responsive caregiving like this keeps the infant’s brain calm in the years it is forming its personality and response to the world,” Narvaez says.
- Breastfeeding, ideally 2 to 5 years. A child’s immune system isn’t fully formed until age 6 and breast milk provides its building blocks.
- Multiple adult caregivers — people beyond mom and dad who also love the child.
- Free play with multi-age playmates. Studies show that kids who don’t play enough are more likely to have ADHD and other mental health issues.
- Natural childbirth, which provides mothers with the hormone boosts that give the energy to care for a newborn.
The U.S. has been on a downward trajectory on all of these care characteristics, according to Narvaez. Instead of being held, infants spend much more time in carriers, car seats and strollers than they did in the past. Only about 15 percent of mothers are breastfeeding at all by 12 months, extended families are broken up, and free play allowed by parents has decreased dramatically since 1970.
“Ill advised practices and beliefs have become commonplace, such as the use of infant formula, the isolation of infants in their own rooms, or the belief that responding too quickly to a fussing baby will ‘spoil’ it,” Narvaez says.
Whether the corollary to these modern practices or the result of other forces, research shows the health and well being of American children is worse than it was 50 years ago: there’s an epidemic of anxiety and depression among the young; aggressive behavior and delinquency rates in young children are rising; and empathy, the backbone of compassionate, moral behavior, has been shown to be decreasing among college students.
“All of these issues are of concern to me as a researcher of moral development,” Narvaez says. “Kids who don’t get the emotional nurturing they need in early life tend to be more self-centered. They don’t have available the compassion-related emotions to the same degree as kids who were raised by warm, responsive families.””
The most important thing about parenting in a traditional (traditional as our ancestors would have parented) way is that not only does it shape children into positive ways but it also feels right. When you take away all outside expectations of babies “needing” to do things that are not natural to them and therefore needing to “train” them, parent will naturally do what feels good to both of them.
Breastfeeding, holding, wearing, co-sleeping, responding to a childs needs etc… It just feels good, it makes a parent feel good and it makes a child happy. It is so easy to understand why parents that parent in such a way are so proud and love to share what they are experiencing.
I have never heard someone say that it feels good to make their child cry themselves to sleep, that it feels good to deprive a child of something they need, that it feels good to hit or punish a child. I have only heard that it “needs” to be done. There is no lack of support for the parents that do such things, there are thousands of books, millions of personal stories but for the children, they are left without support. I understand that many parents believe that it needs to be done, because that is what they have experienced and what they have been taught, but the damage that it is doing is frightening. It is hard to break the cycle, it is very hard at times, but it is very possible. We need to bring back compassion, we all need to go back to the basics and build our children up in a positive way from infancy.
I think that studies like these are bring the challenge to light, what we do to children does have an effect on who they are and the differences will show.
I fully agree with you…
but need to admit I have not been successful in raising my kiddoes this way…
I have nursed till self weaned for some but not for all…some of this was out of my circumstances…I gave birth to my first child at 17 and was very naive …by the time I had my third child …she was in cloth diapers, co-slept , and weaned herself at over age 2…she potty trained herself, taught herself to ride a bike…etc…
My fourth and fifth child were born on the autism spectrum with lots of health issues…I was then wrongly diagnosed with thyroid cancer and weaned baby #5 at 9 months…it was devastating to me…we still co-slept and cloth diapered…
I shrived to do what you write about but as these little boys got older it seemed impossible to not give time out…we do not spank ever but time out seem to be the only way to get to our 7 year old at time…I do NOT want to give time out…I want to be able to raise children with all the compassion that is needed to create calm, loving, compassionate children but struggle with a 7 year old who is mean to his more disabled 5 year old brother…
Sometimes I wish I could start all over and parent better with the knowledge I know have…It is hard to break the “mold” when your already in it…my heart breaks and at times feel pretty darn alone in this choice of parenting …I don’t see to many people around me doing what you do…I resort to time out as I do not know what else to do…just so you know time outs are very short…no longer then a few minutes and yes they do not work :(…
How else do you deal with a disobedient child that hurts his little brother?…he has also taken to back talk to us now…my husband feels pretty discouraged too….how do you change/show a child that his choices are not good and affect everyone else for the bad?
Not too make excuses …but he also has learning disabilities, asthma, sensory processing disorder, OCD,…these affect his daily living …he is not on any medications…we work on his diet but he is also a very picky eater because of his sensory issues…
Some people think we make excuses for our sons and that they just need a good spanking and a long time out in their rooms (yup friends and family:(
My heart has always ached to do it the right way…I know it is right cause it feels right to be at a deep level…I just don’t know how to attain it without being told off by a mouthy 7 year old…Any thoughts for me?…since I can’t give birth to them all over again and start fresh…LOL
I want what you do I just don’t know what I am doing wrong?…obviously my outcome is showing sometime is not right….
Just too add my boys are very loud! …very loud and most people find this horribly annoying…
so do I when I am trying to sleep in a few extra minutes…:))
I am not talking about the typical loudness of children…I am talking loud…as a result we have few people friends at the moment as my boys are seen as too loud and disturbing to others…this is segregating us even further…
Going to story time at the library is even a challenge as the littler one Paul has tourette syndrome and gets excited and will twitch and jump up and down out of happiness…nothing wrong with this in my eyes…but still disturbing to others…
Sorry this is so long…
I just want compassionate children without the talking back and constant disobedience…may be its me the problem and I am asking for too much??
Thank you for posting this! I am in a constant battle (it seems) with my own parents, and my in-laws over choosing to co-sleep, breastfeed, use a sling instead of a stroller, or even just addressing my crying child or baby when they need it. My youngest is now 19 months old, and I still co-sleep and breastfeed, and this causes no amount of ‘discussion’ amoung my parents and husband’s parents. They try and say that we have no life, because my youngest doesn’t sleep in a crib in another room with a bottle. My argument is always that it is OUR choice, and OUR decision, and it’s really not affecting their life, or their interactions with our children! (But that doesn’t stop them from saying it’s gross to see my 19 month old breastfeeding! – she’s too OLD for that now). Sigh. I hope things start to swing around in society soon.
I am not going to pretend I have all the answers or that I never make mistakes. I don’t, and I have, yet I do believe that I have ideals and limits that I have set for myself. We deal, or have dealt with many of the same problems and I don’t think that we are alone in it.
Yes, it is quite easy to go off track, especially with the little support we seem to have when doing things differently, and it is very hard to break the mold, but it is possible.
I do think that there is a difference between giving a 2-3 year old a time out or asking a 7 year old to take some time to themselves while a situation is being diffused. Neither will solve the underlying problem, but the cognitive understanding of the situation, and what they take from it, is quite different.
I find it very hard at times to be a parent to my oldest, he is/was very much like you described your 7yo to be. There has been a lot of trial and error and a lot of re-centring to be done and in the last year it has been getting easier. I didn’t talk about it much, but I do wish I had at times. It is so hard to put yourself out there especially when you are trying to figure things out for yourself.
What I have learned in our experience is that it is what we say and do outside of the times that are tense is what helps in the future and often less is more when it comes to talking things out. Our mistake was/is often that we try to change things and get a point across in the moment when walls are up and all emotions are high. We, ourselves, often are not coming across as compassionate in those times and it is hard for them to learn to do exactly the opposite of what we are showing them to do.
If a conversation is to be had, I think is is important and much more effective to connect first and then having a conversation that comes out of compassion and respect. Showing them first hand what we want them to learn.
Often situations can be diffused with a healthy dose of playful parenting. *Very appropriate that as I was writing this, a fight broke out between Xavier (8) and Colin (6)… I told them stop, come here and tell me what happened and how they felt without using words… and then I tried to guess using silly things. It quickly diffused the situation, I got the whole story without any blaming (often fights between siblings are very two sided and I used to put the blame a bit too much on the older sibling) and they were able to work things out quickly and go back to their game.
Unlike what people believe, making a situation light and playful, does not encourage the behaviour. It just makes it easier to diffuse heavy emotions and opens opportunities to talk and to get feelings and points across.
As for noise… ummm…my kids are loud, or at least I think they are. I am very sensitive to noise and was an only child I just don’t know what is normal when there are many kids in the house. What I have noticed however is that family and friends with no kids, or have only had 1-2 kids around at most think that me kids are loud. Friends that enjoy kids or that come from larger families think my kids are on the quieter side. I do think that perspective has a lot to do with it and I am trying to put my sensitivities aside and am trying to enjoy the loudness in the house at times yet I also believe that it is important for them to understand that there are times that being quieter is more acceptable. (like when we are out or after supper or in the early morning when I like things to be quiet)
For the library, could you talk to the librarian, explain your situation (that he has less or no control because of tourette) sometimes just having the conversation before hand makes thing much easier.
Thanks so much for responding to me…you have some good thoughts there and tricks…
I really like the one about telling you what happened and how they felt without using words…I am not sure my boys would/could understand that but I am actually going to work on that one. It’s a great idea that I can see eventually “breaking” the ice between the boys…love it!!
I am going to find or make or print feeling cards…that way we can “practice” so when it comes time to tell me how they feel they will know…
I felt better just spilling the beans to you…I don’t always spill the “beans” out with my friends since they parent with the “slap” on the bum method and we disagree and get no where…
I hope things change…my 17 year old just had a baby almost 6 weeks ago…she is already hearing “it” from her boyfriends family because she nurses exclusively, sleeps with the baby and wears the baby at all times…(proud moment for me) …they have told her to put that baby in a crib and let it cry…ugh….people ….the baby is not even 6 weeks old!!…
So yup…society has alot of growing up to do…
Do you have any good books to recommended me?
Thanks again
I sure needed what you said
Nadine, my heart goes out to you. It sounds like you have your hands full and it must be stressful. I have no real advice, I’m still figuring it all out too.
Though, I have to say that I don’t necessarily agree with the assumption that practicing natural parenting (or following AP) will lead to children that never disobey, aren’t defiant or don’t ever talk back. They are still people with their own temperaments, emotions and individual characteristics. Also, there may be 100 different reasons that could be causing the disobedience (testing boundaries, a misunderstanding, frustration, attention seeking…). It doesn’t mean that YOU are doing things wrong.
The other point I’d like to bring up is that many of the practices we read about when it comes to AP are baby related (babywearing, breastfeeding, responding to baby at night, bedsharing..). Certainly, some of the practices extend into toddlerhood but essentially the real core of the advice starts during the baby years (I think). Not much for the later years.
I did it all AP style or almost… as much as I could control (and before I even knew about the AP theory). But my first born has always been stubborn and defiant from a very early age. So, to me, that had very little to do with my parenting style and much more to do with his personality. That’s just who he is. It’s a great trait in my opinion, but it still makes parenting a little hard. Ok, very hard! And sometimes, many times, my instincts have failed me on how to deal with him…
Nadia, I don’t see where the assumption that “AP” makes perfect kids was mentioned, but I agree with you, I have never met a child that was not defiant, loud etc at one point, all kids are, they test boundaries, they are curious, they are kids!
What I do believe and what I believe the article is saying, is that the way we treat kids has an impact on who they are later on. Making a child cry themselves to sleep changes the way the brain functions, it raises cortisol levels and has long term effects on handling stress later on in life. If you read about cortisol and its effects you can definitely see its effects on stress, memory, brain function, bones, kidneys etc. Putting children in a stressful situations over and over has negative and longterm effects.
Holding and babywearing are not in themselves magical (well they can be at times), but what it does do is allow a parent to recognise and respond quickly to an infant’s or child’s needs. There is less need to cry out and get distressed in order to get the parents attention.
Using physical and phycological punishments have short term effects and don’t provide long term solutions.
We can only teach compassion through actively showing our children compassion.
You are very right that AP is all about infants (which is why I no longer use or subscribe to the term) and it is true that most of the advice stops once they are out of the “attached” phase…. I wrote a few posts on exactly that (look in the responsive parenting section in my Bog highlights)
And I don’t know if it first borns, but I have that same child… and yes it is hard and no, my instincts don’t always kick in (or actually they do, but they are the instincts that came with the way that I was parented that I am fighting to change)
Nadine, here is a list of my favourite books
“What I do believe and what I believe the article is saying, is that the way we treat kids has an impact on who they are later on. ”
I agree! And I think choosing to parent a certain way with a baby and then a toddler and then … changes how you parent older children as you continue on that path. We have always walked the path of respect and love, and while of course nobody is perfect (meaning ME), we still choose to not do punishments/rewards, time outs, spanking, forced behavior, etc. We still choose to guide and lead as parents, but listen as family with equal voices. And I think parenting with respect and attachment has kept us close even though my boys are 6 & 8. And yes, they are loud (sometimes), defiant (sometimes), and have crabby days (sometimes)—so do *I* (and I’m 43!). I also have a child who has neurological and sensory issues, but always have felt that should make me MORE patient and MORE compassionate, and not less. And the cool thing is now they are these independent confidant amazing people and I am so lucky to get to spend my life with them. They treat others with respect, they love people of all ages, and they engage with every kind of person. 🙂
I never understood how in my community the idea that AP was for when they are babies, and then, well, you just go back to mainstream whatever when they get to walking/talking/thinking/schooling age. I think it continues and is a whole life whole family thing that changes the family dynamic and makes for a stronger family. 🙂 I know my boys will continue to be interesting amazing people and look forward to a continued close relationship through their adulthood.
@ paxye:
Sorry, I was not trying to suggest that you said it made kids perfect (or that the article does). I think my beef is with using absolutes… I agree that many mainstream practices are damaging – especially CIO. I also agree that natural parenting is an approach that will allow the child to develop into the true person they are supposed to be. It will enable them to reach their true potential.
I have an issue with the wording used in some of the articles or more specifically some discussions I’ve read on this subject. The perception they put forth is that if you use AP then your children will be amazingly well behaved all the time and if you don’t use AP your children will usually misbehave. Although, even followers of natural parenting know this can’t be true…
I remember reading “Hold on to your kids” by Gordon Neufeld and he was going on and on about how an attached child will want to listen to his parents because he will want to please them. That if a child is misbehaving and doesn’t listen, it means he is not attached. No teenage rebellion for an attached child, no way… he was talking in absolutes and that bothered me. Especially since, at the time, I had a rowdy 2 year old that lived his days in tantrums and misbehaving. I thought we were attached and I tried to be as gentle as possible throughout that stage… but still, he went through the terrible 2’s and boy were they tough!
I’ve met many natural parenting followers who say their child did not go through the terrible 2’s and they swear it’s because of their parenting style. I’ve also read many forum discussions where they were outraged at some child misbehaving on the playground or throwing a tantrum in a store, and again there they were, positive that it could not have been an AP child.
I guess my initial comment was fueled by that…
I’m thankful that articles and research studies are coming out showing that being hands on and an “ap” family grows healthy well adjusted children but at the same time these always leave me wondering where I went wrong. My son (he’ll be 3 in May) has sensory processing disorder and he taught me about attachement parenting. I followed his cues and responded to him…. he cried alot (still does) so I held and wore him alot. He woke up nearly constantly at night the first year so we co-slept. He hated wetting his diapers so we dabbled in EC. He needed me more than my oldest did and more than other babies seemed to need their mothers so I made sure to be there for him, to reassure him that I’d always be there when he needed me. Once we learned to respond to all his needs in a loving supportive way, life was much easier for all of us but it’s always been a struggle. And I feel that it might always be.
I feel guilty for mistakes I made during my pregnancy (I had a hard pregnancy and followed my caregiver’s advice to have ~10 ultrasounds and was induced at only a few days past my EDD) and believe that that is a huge part in why he struggles so much. When I see articles like this or hear people talking about AP and how AP babies never cry, etc a big part of me is saddened but at the same time I also wonder how much more extreme my son’s struggles would be had he not taught us about attachement parenting.
I can relate to what Kim says…
and that is why I am left feeling “where did I go wrong”
I did carry my little guy all the time…he hated it…We co-slept till age 4( an older sibling co-slept with them till age 5)…I nursed as long as I could…they only wanted to be in arms yet hated all the sling we tried and purchased…
I patiently lovingly did my best but one of them still cries more that your average child…
and now he is in my opinion louder then other children and is aggressive towards his younger brother…I read about how the outcome of AP parenting should be and I did not get that…
I yearned for it yet because of my sons sensory processing issues and other diagnosis it was pretty impossible to attain,..may be like Kim wrote…may be my little guys would have been worst if we would have not nursed/carried/co-slept with these little guys…I have never thought of it that way…these little guys cried so much as infant even tough they were carried at all times( I only took showers if someone was here to hold them)…I too had a very difficult pregnancy with both little guys…is that the connection?
They have never been vaccinated yet one of them is also autistic…it’s been a hard journey at times and lonely…if nothing else connecting with a group of people that can support is great but not so fun when one assumes AP parenting wasn’t/ isn’t used because of their” now” behaviors..we did everything that could be done when they were infants and we still strive to be attached/loving/patient but not perfect parents:)