I started reading and posting on a Yahoo group for Canadian UC and it is pretty much bombarded with “god” talk…. Within a few days that I joined the group someone commented on it, just saying that she had trouble getting though all of the “god talk” and finding the message in the text… I agreed with her saying that I was having trouble doing the same and explained that in trying to find information and gather the strength to fully have confidence in my body I would love to read about how others do the same… However, in going through the archive the majority of the messages about preparation and birth are all full of “I had trust in God”, “I knew He would do what is right”, “I prayed to God to tell me what to do”, “I knew that God was with me”… blah blah blah….
So… what happens when you read this and don’t believe that God even exists.. Well you don’t get anything from it and another learning experience is pretty much thrown out the window. So I explained just that… that I have trouble getting what I personally need when all the trust is in God and not in themselves and that I would love to read how people have gained confidence in themselves. I explained that I am searching for this because I am in the “unlearning stage”… Unlearning the idea that pregnancy and birth is a medical problem that needs medical attention, and relearning that Birth and Pregnancy are in most cases are problem free but have problems due to medical intervention.
The response was the usual.. everyone jumped to the conclusion that because we don’t like the God talk and can’t take anything from it, that we automatically are offended by it and we want it all to stop and we want them to hide their faith or stop believing. Then the “tolerance” issue of “I am not offended when I read Pagan, Wiccan and Atheist birth stories, why are you offended by mine?”… “Read this passage in the bible and you will understand why”… “Are we Christians now going to be discriminated against?”…
I hate it when people jump to the conclusion that when someone talks about their religion and then someone says that they just can’t take anything from it, or can’t relate then they automatically think that we are offended by the “god talk” or that we want them to stop not only talking about it… But it is almost like they think that we want them to stop believing… Why does it automatically become an offensive remark to not believe in the same thing? Are people taught in their churches etc that whoever isn’t with them is against them? That non-believers are out to get them and bring them to the “dark-side”? That Atheists are just out to make them stop believing or that we have pacts with the devil or something?
The devil thing makes me laugh (I have heard this argument before) because an Atheist having a pact with the devil is an oxymoron… the devil is a religious idea and you would actually have to believe in a god to believe in the devil…
I get so annoyed by people assuming that I am offended by them, or think that I am trying to offend them just because I state an opposite opinion. The same goes for aspects of parenting…
“It’s not all about you!!”
I don’t believe in God, but I’m also not threatened by those who do or of the idea of not believing, but based on my experiences living with my Christian aunt, I think that some people who believe in God are threatened by non-believers, although I’m not exactly sure why. My aunt and her church friends did teach that it was appropriate to turn away from non-believers, to not associate with them, that they were sent by Satan to tempt the believers. Like you said, only Christians believe in Satan, so this is a strange one.
I also ran into some Christian approach UC information while I was studying it. I found it easy enough to substitute Nature or myself for God, but I was bothered by the implication that a woman wasn’t whole and able unto herself. I also thought that the common substitution of husband for doctor was contrary to UC philosophy (not necessarily solo, but unassisted.)
Oh man. I’m not an Atheist but if I’m there laboring for 20+ hours, I sure as hell want to take credit for MY body putting in the mental and physical effort and for my body birthing another human being.
Ha! That “she” you are talking about on the CanUC list was me.
“I started reading and posting on a Yahoo group for Canadian UC and it is pretty much bombarded with “god” talk…. Within a few days that I joined the group someone commented on it, just saying that she had trouble getting though all of the “god talk” and finding the message in the text… I agreed with her saying”
I know!! I only figured it out a while ago when I went back in the archives on the list…
small world isn’t it we agreeing before we knew each other!!