Comments on: Natural and Logical Consequences in Non-Punitive Parenting https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/natural-and-logical-consequences-in-non-punitive-parenting/ Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:06:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Melissa https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/natural-and-logical-consequences-in-non-punitive-parenting/#comment-3559 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:47:22 +0000 https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/?p=6038#comment-3559 In reply to Joanna.

Joanna, I don’t think it is hard at all to apply in everyday life, but you do have to have to step out of the box.

First, you HAVE to have a strong attachment and connection. It is the base and most important aspect (Look at my post on “Discipline and How Non-Punitive Parenting Works” linked above)

Xavier immediately knew that the hole in the wall was not a good thing. He knew he was responsible for it and we talked about how he needs to find another way to get his aggression out and how he getting it fixed was his responsibility. It is not about a power struggle and there is no reason for him to say no. (and I can tell you, he is not a child that never says no)

The child that doesn’t want to put their coat on at -30. Just bring the coat with you. You know that getting cold does not mean getting sick, that happens because of a virus. If he gets outside and he will be cold you can offer the coat again. Maybe he is like me and runs hot and can easily not use a coat in the winter. I think I wore my coat about a dozen times this winter… usually a sweater is enough for me and I have always been like that. Even as a child.

For cleaning up toys. Honestly is sounds like not picking up toys is something that you are taking personally if you are talking about liberties and “needs” and are making it into a power struggle. Does he have space that he CAN leave legos laying around? If not… why not? What if he was done playing for the day but not done his game and wanted to go back to it tomorrow? Can he do that? Where is his space in the house, where are his liberties? How about giving him a space that is his so that he can leave legos around if he he doesn’t want to clean up a space that you are claiming as yours. Find a solution that fits both of your needs.

It is not hard to not use any form of “taking away” or punishment when you have the right attachment in place. Punishments creates power struggles and that in turn it damages the balance of connection and creates a different form of attachment that makes it much harder. What can be difficult though is stepping back, changing our expectations (which may be way too high), not taking things personally and instead of punishing… connecting and pulling our kids in to find solutions together. For our children to respect our needs and wants, we needs to respect theirs also.

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By: Joanna https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/natural-and-logical-consequences-in-non-punitive-parenting/#comment-3558 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 03:48:14 +0000 https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/?p=6038#comment-3558 Hi Melissa,
very interesting but also very hard to apply in day to day life.
what happens if Xavier says he doesn’t WANT to fill the whole he made in the wall? you force him or you just leave the wall with a whole in it?
Same for the child who doesn’t want (and insists he doesn’t wants and he decides for himself etc) to put his jacket on if it’s freezing cold (-30 for example). what should i do? just leave him go outside and be sick?
same for cleaning up the toys, if they just say they don’t want to do it and that’s it…
my problem is always with the concept of my liberty stops where other’s people liberty starts. so when the child’s needs or wishes are conflicting with mine (for example my need to have a house not filled with legos all on the floor).
these kind of situations happen daily and it’s pretty hard to not use any form of “taking away” what he throws all over the place when he is angry or things like that.
looking forward to your reply,
take care
joanna

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By: Stéphanie https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/natural-and-logical-consequences-in-non-punitive-parenting/#comment-3557 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 13:24:44 +0000 https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/?p=6038#comment-3557 **There are many people that associate non-punitive parenting with permissive parenting but it is far from being so. It is about learning how to live through life events and being responsible for your actions without the whole thing becoming negative or unpleasant.**

Merci pour cette définition! Je cherche souvent comment décrire cette façon de faire avec les enfants et c’est exactement ça! Un grand merci pour cet article et ce blog que je découvre aussi! Thank you!

Stéphanie Meloche

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By: Carling https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/natural-and-logical-consequences-in-non-punitive-parenting/#comment-3556 Thu, 30 May 2013 19:19:42 +0000 https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/?p=6038#comment-3556 Wow. Thanks.
I’m really tired of saying “nooooo” and yelling and whatnot.
My toodler is really something and I’m trying to find another alternative. Your way seems more logical than any “punishement”.
As a stay at home mom, I get impatient and I don’t have any energy to try and find other stuff that he can do than hitting he’s brother and sister. But, my priority is my children, so I will give it a try.

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By: Melissa https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/natural-and-logical-consequences-in-non-punitive-parenting/#comment-3555 Thu, 30 May 2013 13:42:16 +0000 https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/?p=6038#comment-3555 In reply to Carling.

Well, the natural consequence is that the other child might be hurt or sad because he got hit. (Natural consequences are what happen without any outside manipulation)

What you are looking for is logical consequences in this case and really it depends on the ages and situation.
-You could work on preventing situations (I know this one os hard when you have young kids that can turn from playing perfectly to hitting within seconds).
-You can separate them when it happens by taking the one that is BEING hit away and tending to them. I would ask them to explain what happened. Many times, they were not really the innocent in the situation.
-I would tell the hitting child or both children that we do not hit in this house and if they are verbal enough I would ask them to why they hit and what they could have said instead to get their want/need met. I would talk through the situation with them. If I saw it was about a toy, I would give the toy to the child being hit and tell the other that if they want it they need to find a way to ask for it in an acceptable manner and I would also help the child who has the toy be able to say no in a way that might not provoke a strong reaction in the other child.
– I would at times ask the child hitting to help the other child feel better by rectifying the situation. They often came up with great solutions all on their own that I would never have though about.

Really, there are many possibilities and it does take time and effort because there is NO one size fits all solution…

Have you seen this post? https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/discipline-and-how-non-punitive-parenting-works/

For non-punitive parenting, you really need to have the foundation of a strong attachment. It is never too late of course but it is very important.

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By: Carling https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/natural-and-logical-consequences-in-non-punitive-parenting/#comment-3554 Thu, 30 May 2013 11:17:48 +0000 https://ahippiewithaminivan.com/blog/?p=6038#comment-3554 Very interesting.
But, for example when a toodler hits another, what is the natural consequences for that ? I’m kind of in this processus right now and I’m not very patient. (i have 3 kids under the age o f5)

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